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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:47:58 -
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republic fleet gun boats in general are flavorless
Stabber Fleet-- glorified armor rupture
hurricane Fleet-- pre nerf cane
Tempest Fleet-- tempest with bigger numbers..... except DPS and Salvo.
really I'd rather see all these ships slotted and bonuses for artillery and shielding, lord knows we cant fit those to the normal T1 hulls.
The HFI should just get the same 10 damage 7,5 tracking the brutix navy and harbinger navy gets and gain a mid at the cost of a low or high... for the love of god the Harbinger Fleet has more mids.
The tempest would actually be a noteworthy ship is it got these buffs as well.
and the stabber, 5 damage 5 tracking 5 lows 5 mids 5 highs 5 guns world make it worth while. |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.27 00:31:41 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote: Stabber Fleet Issue I agree with you on pretty much everything you said except the Stabber Fleet Issue is not just a glorified Rupture. It's one of the Minmatar fleet issue ship with interesting bonuses that set it aside from the other T1 ships in it's class (like the scythe fleet issue, for example). The Stabber Fleet Issue can field more/bigger drones, it's the only T1 Minmatar Cruiser that has a bonus to tracking speed, and it has 5 guns instead of 4, and it has no utility high slot. It's different enough to make it stand out among the other choices - in my opinion, anyways.
yes however once upon a time the stabber fleet had enough grid for a full rack of 720s, the hull bones pretty much screamed brawls with ACs but dat tracking buff worked wonders on a ship that can dictate range on most things.
now you need 3 ACRs and a PG plant to fit 720s.... and still have no tank.
The point is it's a FLEET issue vessel, and I really feel it's hull bonus should reflect that. the Exeqour and oman Navy for example is everything a fast attack fleet issue cruiser should be in my opinion. the SFI is really just heavy tackle.
and you want to talk about openning fitting options, how about we actually let one of the stabbers actually fit arty.
On another note, I really wish minmatar cruisers were stuck with 4 guns....... projectiles already dish out crap DPS, and LOL putting nuets on a stabber...... and 2 RLMLs would require an ACR or 2
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.01 00:05:44 -
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God's Apples wrote: Two utility highs don't matter. The mach does exactly and I repeat exactly as much damage as the TFI if you fit 6 guns to it. Did you get that through your thick goddamn skulls?
actually It does much more because of the double fall off hull bonus, so the applied damage is much higher past AC non existent optimal.
10 damage and 7.5 tracking, the volley would be slightly better than the machs and you have better application with arty.
or 8 guns with 7.5 tracking and falloff like the N'apoc has would be interesting |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:07:24 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kalihira wrote:Aerie Evingod wrote:Complaining about a navy battleship by comparing to a pirate battleship? Of course it will look bad in comparison. Same way a navy mega is out classed by a vindicator.
vindi vs Nmega is a totally different story. if you compare them the vindi has the web bonus, but the Nmega is slightly faster, has a way better tank, and if you actually put the tank on the vindi on par with the Nmega, the Nmega actually does abit more dps beceause you need to drop a magstab. The only question you need to ask yourself on those two ships is wether you want to pay 150-200mil extra for the web bonus or not. On topic, the TFI, but also the regular tempest is lackuster imo, and quite frankly, the mach outperforms it in every way, exept for buffertank and the number of utility highs, but thats a very small price to pay for what you gain. What I dont get about the pest hulls it that they are supposed to be assault battleships (atleast the T1) but quite crap on the dps department. You dont need huge dps numbers when your packing duel heavy neuts.
So why is no one drops guns for neuts. exception being the AC brawly maelstrom.
and lol what, the armor cane has always been ****, along with lol armor pest.
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:18:05 -
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Durbon Groth wrote:Interesting thread. I've looked at both ships in the past. While the mach does have a stat lead over the TFI I still like the ship. It would be nice however to see an further increase in EHP for the TFI to set it apart from the mach and establish a reputation as a solid brawler or superior ship-of-the-line, a vast difference from the hit+run/kite tactics of machariels. And thats what everyone wants right? Variety?
which is why 10 damage and 7.5 tracking would make much more sense.
good for an auto bruiser with an application bonus, no large projectile ship has this.
good for artillery fleets, most volley of any subcap. with respectable EHP and sures up the tracking issues inherent with arty.
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.14 02:59:06 -
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Capt Sephiroth wrote:. If mach wants to be able to fit that much buffer tank it has to remove one gun which brings its dps and volley on par with (actually is lower than that of TFI in both).
ahh no, the DPS and volley are exactly the same with -1 gun mach and has a lower sig, and Much better projection with arty, Howitzers are pretty much ACs with an actual optimal range. so 50 percent falloff is actually really good for arty.
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